Tuesday, April 20, 2010

SSN to 1,000 virgins

I had a productive day yesterday. Those are rare, and it made me feel good to be me yesterday.

I went to Chase Bank to correct my SSN mishap and the lady who had the clearance or the expertise to do so was not there. I could say what I think about the woman in Lancaster who used my SSN, but I don't have sufficient evidence to make an assertion like that. I'd like to think it was an honest mistake, that she typed one wrong number in, twice. I could just as easily think she did it to be a thieving scoundrel. I think this is a good time to talk about being a skeptic.

Skepticism is a good thing and in short supply in this society. Being a skeptic means holding ideas or beliefs that could change as information changes. Some people can't do that. They get a belief and hold onto it and fall victim to Confirmation Bias--that is preferring information that coincides with their beliefs or hypothesissisisisis. Another way or an easier way to say it is looking for evidence for your belief and ignoring counter evidence.

For example if you believe in the god of Abraham, and believe he intervenes in the everyday affairs of mortals, then when something good happens to you, you may think he is watching out for you, especially if it happens a few times.

A real world example: Loo's grandma once hurt her ankle so bad she cried and tried icing it, massaging it, wrapping it, elevating it, but nothing worked. As a last resort she prayed and prayed for God to take the pain away. Suddenly the pain stopped. She believes the creator of the universe healed her hurt ankle.

Here is another one. Have you ever wondered about why "La Virgin de Guadalupe" is so prevalent in Latin America? I'll tell you.

After the Spanish Catholics destroyed the indigenous cultures in Mexico, they set up a colony to send goods back to the queen. They had the surviving indigenous people make churches and started to convert them. One day (this is true, or as historically accurate as is possible to know) it rained all day and flooded the town/city where these destitute Mexican (Aztec) people lived and they were losing everything to the flood. So, being uneducated and subjugated they had nowhere to turn but the Spanish Cardinal in his church (palace/cathedral). They asked him how to make the rain stop. He told them that they had to open their hearts up to the lord and pray that He stop the rain. So they went back and did that, the whole town got together and prayed for God to stop the rain.

(side note: this is ironic because Yahweh was originally a storm deity of a diffuse desert pantheon. This also explains why he punishes man in the bible with things that rain down from the sky--frogs, fire, floods, etc)

They prayed and prayed but the rain kept falling, washing their food crop away and destroying their mud-brick houses. They returned to the Cardinal and told him it didn't work. The Cardinal said that it should have, and that someone in their number didn't have enough faith. He told them to go back and pray harder. So they did. They relayed what the cardinal had said and urged everyone to have a lot of faith and pray extra hard for God to stop the rain. And still it rained.

They returned to the cardinal. The cardinal was baffled and told them that someone among them still didn't totally believe and wasn't praying hard enough or long enough. So they went back and prayed even harder and longer than they had ever prayed before. And still it rained.

Desperate, they tried everything they could think of, but nothing worked. Finally they prayed to la Virgin de Guadalupe--aka Mother Mary, Mommy to Jesus--a marginalized mythic figure at the time.

(the Spanish Catholics refused to accept her as an important religious figure worthy of attention until they finally made her the patron saint of Mexico in 1996--about 500 years after this event).

After they prayed to la Virgin de Guadalupe the rain stopped.

The people rejoiced and believed in the power of La Virgin de Guadalupe over the power of God. It had such an effect that the Catholics were unable to squelch their belief. And that is why La Virgin de Guadalupe is so prevalent south of the USA, and, well, north of the USA as well.

Another side note: as indigenous cultures are conquered, subjugated and forcibly converted by the colonizers, they secretly--amongst themselves--disguise their beliefs into the religion forced on them. For the people that were once Aztec that meant transposing one of their important mother Goddesses onto la Virgin de Guadalupe. To an outsider, like a Spanish cardinal, they looked as though they were worshiping the mother of Jesus, which wasn't ideal but better than worshiping their heathen gods. But in actuality they were praying to this Aztec mother-goddess, like a Greek Hera, or a Viking Frigga, or a Japanese Izanami. The name of this Aztec goddess has been lost, but pictures of her still exist as archeologists uncover artifacts that the Spanish failed to locate and destroy.

Over time generations learned less and less about their mother culture and their mother goddess until eventually they forgot all about it. Now all that is left is an almost inexplicable adoration of la Virgin de Guadalupe.

Ok, back to the main point. With both these confirmation bias stories, both the pain in the ankle and the unending rain and subsequent flooding, something obvious is being overlooked. And that is that both a seemingly unending pain in the ankle and a seemingly unending rain storm will, eventually, inevitably, end. And whatever you were doing at the time will confirm your bias. In Grandma's case God healed her. In the other case La Virgin de Guadlupe stopped the rain and saved the town/city. The reality of the situation is that pain and rain both stop eventually, and would have ended on their own without any supernatural help. (sometimes pain doesn't stop, like for the terminally ill, but I think you get my point)

And that is through no fault of our own. We are pattern-seeking animals. If you can make a headache go away by drinking milk or eating something you will remember that the next time you get a headache. If you can get increased cellphone service by tilting your head a certain way you will probably do that. It is human to do that and often times throughout history pattern-seeking has been good for us. Like if you ate a plant that smelled good but gave you dysentery, you would learn not to eat that plant anymore. Or if you threw virgins into a volcano and the 1,000th virgin made it stop you would keep 1,000 virgins nearby and handy in case that volcano started acting up again.

Now we know this about ourselves, well, some of us do, and we can understand why we do things. That is the first step to correcting or changing ourselves and our behavior.

So skepticism is holding ideas in your head based on evidence and changing those ideas as evidence changes. This means you don't have, or rather shouldn't have, a fondness for a particular idea or belief, or you will lose your objectivity/skepticism, and the idea may change.

This is counter intuitive, but its the only way I know how to think.

Was this too long? I think it is, so I'm moving on to another post.

6 comments:

Little Lady said...

I think you are right about us being pattern-seeking animals. A lot of us do things because it worked the last time we did it and so assume it will work again.

The patterns that one finds works the first time, it might even work the second time, and sometimes there is no more pain or floods that will be experienced as heavily as the first time and thus this pattern will not be exercised on that particular thing, or experience, and so the person is left feeling that this is correct.

In reality there have not been any more occurrences to disprove this pattern for them. Though something else will probably come up as it did with the indigenous people: la virgen de guadalupe. Or perhaps they'll just "pray harder".

Eventually it will end. You're right there is always an end to everything, whether it'd be pain, rain, or even something that one would not want an end to.

Unknown said...

huh? skeptisism, evidence just because something is proven right or is highly unlikely doesn't mean it is.though i don't consider myself and animal,i have feelings, all humans do.Your choice of examples are right, and everything has to come to and end, yet noone knows when,I.E. the universe. I take it you might not believe in God, maybe you do. In reality i personally believe, because that what i've choosen to believe, and I try to prove im correct, while some people choose to prove it wrong.Thats the conundrum. like what you've made up is true it can also be, untrue. based on their evidence they pray and it stopped, miraculously. When does pain suddenly stop, or rain after a prayer or during a prayer stop. how do we know were not just being kept from the truth itself. in a way we don't know for sure. understanding this as a visiual concep would be like cup of water half full or half empty?Either way it can be proven right.skeptisism disertion of what is mostlikely,but when two things clash wether to be or not to be. Aristotle said that the earth was round not flat, even with the perception of all the scholars noone agreed to that. Was it true yeah, but unlikely,but skeptisism is based on onse self ,not the conjuction of probability on its self(not absolute math). whats right for you is wrong for me and vise-versa.like yours is just a thesis, mine as well as yours can be proven wrong in the future. If you can prove reality, well you win.I do recognize your ideas and they are highly intelectual.

Brian said...

Threeorangeufo: Thank you for reading and responding. (I am going to respond to you evenhandedly, and thought it is hard to determine tone through text I want you to know that I mean no disrespect, and I don't dislike you in the slightest, so please don't take this things personally)

huh? skeptisism, evidence just because something is proven right or is highly unlikely doesn't mean it is. (Skepticism is not believing things without sufficient evidence. Either you have sufficient evidence for your beliefs or you don’t. It doesn’t mean you believe things that have the most evidence, as they could still be wrong. Skepticism means being skeptical in all things, including skepticism.)

Though i don't consider myself and animal,i have feelings, all humans do. (Animals have feelings too, that has been scientifically tested and experimented upon, the gulf between humans and other animals grows narrower ever day. Animals think like we do in many circumstances, they feel pain like we do, and many animals, like big primates, have the brainpower of a 4-7 year old child (depending on the species.) Coco the gorilla, for example, can talk to humans using American Sign Language; she makes her own words up and describes dreams she has had, her fears and things that make her happy or scared. If Coco is an animal, then so am I, and so are you. We know a great deal about how we humans got here, a problem arises when we try to distance ourselves from our lowly origins.)

Brian said...

cont'd:

I take it you might not believe in God, maybe you do. (I do not believe in the supernatural, which includes the myriad of human gods and mythic creatures. There is no evidence for these things and we understand them to be complete fabrications of the human psyche.)

In reality i personally believe, because that what i've choosen to believe, and I try to prove im correct, while some people choose to prove it wrong.Thats the conundrum. (No. The conundrum is that there is no evidence for what you believer, (you said yourself that you had to choose this belief) and moreover there can’t be any evidence for what you believe because that would counter faith (belief without evidence). If there was evidence for what you believe it would be science and we would not be having this discussion. The reason you are met with opposition is because the argument game goes like this: Affirmative case (that’s you): I have something true here that I want you to believe.
Negative case (that’s me): Do you have any evidence?
Affirmative case: No.
Negative case: Then I can’t believe it.
Affirmative case: Where is your evidence?
Neg: I don’t need evidence, you have the burden of proof. I am being skeptical about your position becuase you don't have any evidence, you can be skeptical about me being skeptical. You are supposed to solve my skepticism by providing evidence, not by asking me for evidence of my none belief of your premise.)

like what you've made up is true it can also be, untrue. (Some things are most likely true, a round earth for example, and gravity, and evolution, and our planets move elliptically around the sun etc.)

based on their evidence they pray and it stopped, miraculously. When does pain suddenly stop, or rain after a prayer or during a prayer stop. (Rain and pain stop eventually. If they hadn’t prayed, do you think the rain would have stopped anyway? Or was La Virgin de Guadalupe really waiting for them to pray to her so she could stop the rain when the god of Abraham could not? She was an Aztec mother Goddess anyway, this opens up all the worlds pantheons. No, most likely they prayed as the rain was stopping and being pattern seeking primates, they believed the prayer stopped the rain.)

how do we know were not just being kept from the truth itself. Who would keep the truth away from you? (The truth is a hard thing to find, the untruth is much easier to find, skeptics find truth by finding what isn’t true, thus leaving what is true behind.)

in a way we don't know for sure. (I disagree, we know things very well, and to pretend there is still some uncertainty about things we know a great deal about is disingenuous. Somethings we know, and some things we don't, and some things we can't know.)

Brian said...

cont'd:


understanding this as a visiual concep would be like cup of water half full or half empty?Either way it can be proven right. (That’s an oversimplification of the greater problem. The world’s truths do not break down to this visual concept, which has very little to do with the overall argument of skepticism. I will write a new post about skepticism in action so you can see for yourself, because I’m not sure you understand. I’m not sure even I understand, LOL. That’s how skeptical I am.)

skeptisism disertion of what is mostlikely,but when two things clash wether to be or not to be. (Could you give examples of this? I don’t understand what you are saying here.)

Aristotle said that the earth was round not flat, even with the perception of all the scholars noone agreed to that. (They were wrong, and not skeptical, this is an irrelevant tangent I think.)

whats right for you is wrong for me and vise-versa.like yours is just a thesis, mine as well as yours can be proven wrong in the future.
(The difference is that I have evidence for what I believe, and you don’t. You and a person that believes in unicorns have the same amount of evidence: Zero.)

If you can prove reality, well you win.I do recognize your ideas and they are highly intelectual. (Thank you for the kind words :-D)

Unknown said...

skepticism, universal doubt,i've looked it up, also animals, any such living thing other than human beings.Im not sure why you'd like to consider yourself or humans as animals, thats your thing i can't really judge you,because it be just wrong. As i researched about skepticism , evidence is the key , so i was interested on it. i didn't mean to sound like i didn't know what i was talking about.i went right to the source.For example evidence like in a case of law can be interpreted in two ways, so the person can be either guity or not guilty, sometimes there just isn't enough proof, some are well founded convictions, and in some rare cases it was a matter of fabrication of evidence. I don't really known if God exists ,it exists in my own thoughs (i've believe is some sort of human coincence), but as i research i've grown to see that it doesn't make sense(sometimes)((actually manny times)), so my hope is for me to find the truth of this. is my life long search. who would keep me from the truth?(people who want contro?) I don't know . I see that people who believe in God as a unity of love and compassion tend to have that quality themselves, maybe thats the real truth.im Skeptic too. There are so many mysteries out there, Ghost would be one them. Black holes, Unidentify flying objects. Supernatural: of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural;unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal. to be a believer or not to be? The fact remains that we won't know till the end? am i right? Which way do you want to find out the truth, through the possitive insentive of the hope of an existing God, or through the coldhearted reality of science,Neither have too bad of a consequences. Oh and the Virgen of Guadalupe was found as a religious miracle by juan Diego in Tepeyac.I don't know where you got the mayan godness thing,i though you were just giving it as an example.Its funny you say you want proof, maybe the proof is the idea(concept of understanding). Look in your wallet. Maybe you'll get to see it ,from my prespective.(i have reasonable doubt) You are smart i do hope you make it , and write your thoughts for money. (i have nothing againts you either)Do becareful of judging a book by cover.